Question: According to mormons some jewish people live in the americas before columbus and before mayans?

(Posted by: Secret_Garden on 2010-07-14 17:03:57)

And what's happened to that people? in a pic in the book of Mormon.. it shows Jesus before the natives of the Americas.. but the authors of the book of mormon are jewish.. did they disappear? or they changed their beliefs for Maya and Aztec? well yes.. according to the book of mormon the introduction says some jewish left Israel and came to the Americas and they lived in USA or I don't know where in the Americas

Posted by: Ender on 2010-07-16, 04:33:17

............and according to archeologists. How else did a carving of the 10 commandments in an ancient script of Hebrew show up in New Mexico? (......it's authentic and pre-dates the Spanish). en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone Most likely the Lamanites and Nephites are in part what we now call the pre-classic Maya and the Classic Maya. The Jaredites were most likely the Olmecs. In the Book of Mormon the true believers were all gone by 420 AD and the vast majority of them gone about 100 years earlier. Interestingly, the Spanish priests that were in the America's in the 1500's commented on the similarities between the natives' beliefs and those of Christians and ancient Hebrews. Many of them speculated that they were one or more of the lost 10 tribes because of this. Additionally, the Book of Mormon accurately describes the locations and time period of the Olmecs/ Jaredites. It accuratly describes the 400 AD maya, namely widespread warfare, slavery, cannibalism, and human sacrifice. It took modern scholars until 1941 and the 1970's to reach these same conclusions. In 1830 when the Book of Mormon was published the predominant history textbook in America stated that there wasn't a single edifice or building in the Americas before the Spanish arrived. That text was published only 9 years before the Book of Mormon. Here are a few pics: naturfoto.cz/ fotografie/ sevcik/ mayske-mesto-palenque--mayan-ruins-1.jpg scienceguy288.files.wordpress.com/ 2008/ 01/ tikal.jpg grayline.com/ Grayline/ GraylineAssets/ images/ franchises/ CozumelAndMayanRiviera_Combo2C_Tulum.jpg quezi.com/ wp-content/ uploads/ 2009/ 02/ pyramid-of-sun.jpg There are interesting parallels between the Book of Mormon and what we know of the Maya, Aztec, and Inca. They all believe in a "descending God " who was the "creator of the earth " and son of a virgin. They all believe that he descended from heaven and taught them principles such as "love one another ". They believe he promised their ancestors that he'd return again. Sound familiar??? Additionally there are oral traditions that support this. In the book "The title of the Lords of Totonicapan " it states that their ancestors were sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who came across the sea in boats. That text wasn't published until about 1950. It was written in about 1550. There is WAY too much to ignore. Either the Book of Mormon is true or it is some strange X-file. By the way, Joseph Smith had a 3rd grade education. It was produced in less than 90 days. He had no resources when he narrated it. Not once did he say "now read back the last line to me ". It flew in the face of the science of his day yet is remarkably similar to the science that we believe to be true in 2010. He was mocked for mentioning cement, roads, highways, cities, barley, and many other such things that have since been found. The Book of Mormon is the story of a group of people who lived in the Americas. It is not a history of the Americas any more than the Bible is a history of Asia, Europe, and Africa.

Posted by: Messenger of God on 2010-07-14, 17:12:44

The first missionaries in the Americas was the Catholic Church and they converted the Maya and Aztecs to Christianity. There were no Jewish people living in the Americas during Jesus' time. This is a Mormon belief which holds no true historic value.

Posted by: Angie on 2010-07-14, 17:13:42

The mayan civilazation started somewhere between 2000 B.C. - 250 A.D. , so its possible that jesus was around before them, if thats what your asking

Posted by: phrog on 2010-07-14, 17:26:35

Actually three groups - the jaredites, the mulekites, and the lehites... and yes it is believed that they came to the americas. mostly they probably did disappear (if you read the BoM there were many wars that wiped out many)....and intermingled with other peoples...and lost their history -- it's what happens over time.

Posted by: Blue book on 2010-07-14, 17:38:49

The Book of Mormon describes Hebrews who came here to find a land set apart from others just for them. Funny there is no Hebrew DNA in the Native peoples of the Americas. Before that embarrassing discovery, LDS church leaders told everyone that all the Natives of both continents were descendants of the people in the Book of Mormon. Since proven wrong, a new theory has popped that says there were other people here and the Hebrews died out quickly before spreading their genes - but after conquering everyone. Kind of hard to do. LDS leaders haven't said they agree with it. In fact, they just don't talk about it at all anymore. And nothing in the Book of Mormon itself says any such thing. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Book of Mormon actually happened. There has never been any interest by scientists and scholars in it, because nothing they discover about the history of our hemisphere agrees with it. It mentions chariots, steel swords, wheat, oxen, money. None of that existed here. What did exist, like jaguars, monkeys, maize, human sacrifice? It is not mentioned in the book. In just 1500 years, according to Mormons, the people of the Americas lost writing, wheels, Hebrew word roots, Christianity, metal working. That is inconceivable to scholars of history.

Posted by: Mikey on 2010-07-14, 18:26:52

I agree with Phrog, also the Book of Mormon does not detail every single immigration to the Americas. There were people here for thousands of years, intermingling and intermarrying. DNA is a joke, there is no way to determine anything with it. Yes a small group of Jewish settlers came to America, their ancestors are part of the Native American mix today. It's not a direct line however, which is what critics claim. They seem to think that a direct lineage of the original line would survive thousands of years of intermingling and intermarrying. It's actually quite humorous to hear the critical DNA argument, it's pretty ignorant. Also think of what the USA was like just 200 years ago, and some have the gall to assume that after 1500 years the culture and language should have remained exactly as it was in Jerusalem? Astounding the absurdities people will go to, to try to make their case.

Posted by: rrosskopf on 2010-07-15, 08:50:40

Well, first of all, the word Mayan describes a number of native populations who more or less shared a common culture. It is really only used to distinguish this civilization from the earlier one known as the Olmec. The Olmec appears to have entirely disappeared. According to the Book of Mormon, the earliest civilization, the Jaredites (no they were not Jewish), did disappear with a series of desolating wars. Archaeology is more the study of culture than the study of genetics. The civilization disappeared, but there might have been enclaves of the native population that integrated into the new "Mayan " civilization. Secondly, although we tend to think of all Hebrews as Jews or Jewish, this is a misnomer. Lehi was an Israelite descended from Joseph of Egypt. Joseph was not a Jew, or of the tribe of Judah. Joseph did not marry an Israelite, so his posterity starts out of mixed race. We really have no idea what his genetic structure looked like. Nor do we know if his descendants only married Israelites. Lehi is initially unsure of his geneology - evidence that it may have been a little suspect. Lehi and his family, and the family of Ishmael, built a ship and sailed out of Arabia, along its eastern shore, to America around 570 AD. The actual place where the ship was built has been narrowed down to just two places that meet the description in the Book of Mormon. Timber, iron ore, honey and dried fruit, and an accessable harbor were available at these two sites. Mesoamerican archaeology has uncovered at least three separate sites where ships landed. A stella was found of people wearing mediterranian attire and sporting beards. Some of Lehis' sons mixed in with the native population, and some of them didn't. Mormon described himself as being a "pure " descendant of Lehi, something that must have been rare. Mormon belonged to a society that called themselves Nephites. Genetically, they were a mixture of many Mesoamerican races, although at one time they would have been entirely Israelite. Populations tend to mix over time. The Nephite society was entirely destroyed in a series of bloody wars, like the Jaredite society before them. Moroni, the son of Mormon, survived by fleeing out of the land, taking with him the sacred record of his father Mormon, known today as the Book of Mormon. According to one non-LDS archaeologist, the ancestor of the Lancondon Maya was known as Jawbone, and came from across the ocean. The Hebrew word for jawbone is Lehi. Aztec is still spoken today, and bears remarkable similarities to Hebrew, according to one linguist who is currently working on a comparison study. Sadly the study won't be completed for many years.

Posted by: Laab on 2010-07-15, 18:58:08

That's pure BS. There was no Mormon, Jew, African, European in the Americas before Columbus (well maybe except for the vikings reaching the northern parts of the Americas). I know this. Although I do read Anthropology books, I also I belong to a Mayan ethnic group. Enough with the BS, I find it disrespectful.

Posted by: ESTIN on 2010-07-16, 08:26:00

@Laab mummies in China and Egypt have Been found to have pot in their mummified remains so a route to the US was known back in Egyptian days and days of China, the problems was Hebrews never traveled their to get high, Joseph Smith may have been high however when translating the BofM.